Join Clubs Or Die - E53

Clancy Denton  0:00  
Mortality, impact of loneliness is equivalent to smoking 15 cigarettes a day. This is the loud quiet living the empty nest. Hey guys, welcome back to the loud quiet episode 53 we had the chance this week to go do something a little different. We got found out about this documentary that was out through being hosted by the Dallas Morning News. So we signed up for it a while ago. And yeah,

Rick Denton  0:35  
it was the when we talk about empty nests, we talk about saying yes to things. You've talked about that a lot, and I got an email that come because, yes, I'm one of the few people out there that still subscribes to the dead tree newspaper. And there was an email that came out of a screening, a movie screening for a documentary, and that alone just sounded Ooh, a movie screening. All right, that's something different. And then as we got into it, looking into what the title was, not only is it just Hey as empty nesters, let's go see a movie. This was something that is meaningful to us as a couple empty nesters as a stage of life, and to the point that the author and the movie is making to democratic society as a whole. And so we went and saw Join or Die.

Clancy Denton  1:26  
Yes, here's the poster for it so

Rick Denton  1:32  
and you can see, I mean, this is only a few of the screenings that it has been a part of awards that it has won. This is based off of Robert Putnam's book, Bowling Alone,

Clancy Denton  1:45  
yes, and that's, I have that on the next slide, and

Rick Denton  1:49  
I promise I'll let you talk here a little bit. I

Clancy Denton  1:51  
forgot what year this book came out, early.

Rick Denton  1:54  
So if it's not 2000 it was, Oh, yeah. I

Clancy Denton  1:57  
think it was, yeah.

Rick Denton  1:58  
So this is an old book, the movie came out this year. I guess. Are

Clancy Denton  2:04  
we calling things that came out in 2000 old

Rick Denton  2:08  
from a book perspective? Yeah, you know, when it is a statement about society and a sociological book, then, yeah, I would say, because think, how about this? Think about how much life has evolved since 2000 when there wasn't even, like you were still doing the t9 text version of texting with a phone. I'd only had a cell phone for five years in the year 2000 Yeah, and there certainly was not a smartphone

Clancy Denton  2:37  
at that point. Oh, no. So no, yeah. So

Rick Denton  2:40  
yeah. Premise of the book was that the number of bowlers had gone steadily

Clancy Denton  2:48  
up. Bowlers on teams, no, no, not, no. The number

Rick Denton  2:53  
of bowling lanes occupied, the number of bowling people who claimed to be bowlers had gone up, attendance in bowling leagues had gone down, and so most, and let's not get too precise with my words here, but most, many, a significant portion, were bowling alone. And the idea behind it is, are we seeing the decline of collective are we seeing the decline of people getting together in a sense of community? Yeah, and we'll get into the details of that, but we went and saw a movie screening. Yeah. It

Clancy Denton  3:30  
was really, it was neat. And, you know, being that the Dallas Morning News headquarters is in downtown, yeah, you know, we left here at 330 so we could get down there and eat, because it started at six. Wasn't going to be done till eight. I was like, um, when did the old when do you eat? Sorry, I don't eat at eight o'clock during the week. Sometimes, like last night, that did happen, but yeah, so I said, Oh, no, we're getting down there so we can eat. Found a tavern. Well, I

Rick Denton  4:06  
want to talk about the tavern, didn't we initially? Like, well, we could, like, pack sandwiches. We're some country bumpkins driving in the city with our picnic basket initially. Thank goodness we got away from that idea.

Clancy Denton  4:19  
Yeah. So, you know, it's in a part of downtown that there's has not seen the resurgence of a lot of entertainment and things, yet it's coming that way. I see it creeping that direction, yeah. But we did find a little local tavern that, yes,

Rick Denton  4:38  
if you're in Dallas and you happen to be in downtown, near the paper. I don't know why you'd be in this part of downtown, other than the paper. There may be other things, but Harwood tavern was a neat little place, super friendly staff. The tater tots are some of the best.

Clancy Denton  4:54  
So, yeah, so we, you know, did that. I really didn't even you know you had told me about this. This movie. You just said, well, because when I you sent me the, oh, the email about it, I clicked on it and it said, Oh, this event is sold out. So I didn't even it, and it wouldn't even go to what, what it was, what it was. So I didn't even really know. All I knew is that it was about being a part of something, or it can have, if you're not a part of something, how that can have effects on your life and longevity of life, which is actually what and we can go back and talk about the movie more, but you know, the Surgeon General was in this documentary, and I'm sure most people saw that report. It came out in 2023 that said, you know, the mortality impact of loneliness, and I'm assuming you know it's loneliness across the board. And he even talked about how it's affecting the kids now too, but adult focus was what I think a lot of this was, is, so the more mortality impact of loneliness is equivalent to smoking 15 cigarettes a day. Yeah. So basically, it's saying you can die from loneliness just like you can die from cancer caused by smoking or any of the COPD, any of the diseases that go on with and I would say, Keep

Rick Denton  6:27  
going to the next line, right? It was, in fact, greater than the mortality impact of obesity or sedentary living. And so while this is we're not talking about the Surgeon General's statement about loneliness. I think, I think a lot of us have felt that intuitively, that our life is lived at a lower quality when we're alone. I don't know that I fully appreciated how, not only at a lower quality, at a faster rate of termination, if you don't have community,

Clancy Denton  7:00  
right and and, you know, for some people, it's not, you know, it's not their choice. Things happen that cause you sometimes to be alone, to live in your house alone, but the point is that you need to make a concerted effort to get out and join clubs community. Oh, clubs were the big focus of this documentary that we saw, and because that's what it started with, was the bowling leagues and how he saw a decline in that and how it just across the board, in the past 50 years, the participation in any kind of club has gone just down, and it's causing people The correlation between that and some of the things that you learn being in community and clubs are also waning. Talking

Rick Denton  8:08  
about the idea of in a club is where you learn how to cooperate. It's a place where you learn how to have a discourse with people that may not agree. The club has already an affinity, but inside of it, there's anybody who's been a part of any organization knows that you end up disagreeing even inside of an organization that has an affinity, right? And so how do you navigate those disagreements? How do you stand in front of a group and give a speech? How do you stand in front and lead folks? How do you organize in such a way to give back to the community or organize in a way to just get things done.

Clancy Denton  8:45  
And I think also a big part of that is also taking care of those inside of your group and organization. And you know, it ran again like the studies were on the PTA how, you know? And there was a teacher, actually, in the audience who said, Oh, we have lots of the audience of our screen, yeah, sorry, in the audience of our screening, because at the end we got a little there was a little conversation, you know. She said, Oh, we have lots of PTA members, but at each meeting, there's probably 10 and she had the viewpoint of, and actually this study came out just a couple of weeks ago that parents are at the highest level of stress in this day and age than they have ever Been. And she said she sees it so much because they're so wrapped up in their kids activities that they're not getting involved with other parents to do things for the betterment of the schools, the whatever organization so

Rick Denton  9:58  
and that i. Let's talk about that. You know, here in a bit of how they're where we I think we seek community as humans all the time. It's just where we're seeking it. But let's get there the I want to talk to you a little bit more just about the movie and some of the principles that it was saying. Well, actually, you know what I want to talk about? First, sorry for this course correction, how kind of cool it was to be a part of a screening. So you go into the headquarters, like we're describing, and imagine a an auditorium, but it was not like a you know, you're not sitting in recliner chairs or anything like that, but you're in this auditorium. The CEO of the Dallas news kicked it off. It was actually the Thanksgiving square foundation that sponsored at Dallas news was hosting it. Yes, and it was, it was kind of you felt, oddly enough, part of this miniature club, miniature community, by choosing to raise your hand and say, I'm gonna go on a Wednesday night drive downtown and watch a screening of a documentary that I don't know that much about.

Clancy Denton  11:05  
It felt like being in a college classroom. That's that's what it felt like to me. And that's when we left. I said, Oh, I feel smart. And I actually told one of my friends that I said, because she asked me about the documentary, I said, Yeah, you wouldn't want to watch it. It it was, it was good. I'm I'm glad it was the link. That was, because it was very, it was a very intellectually driven documentary.

Rick Denton  11:39  
Lots of numbers, yes

Clancy Denton  11:40  
and but it was, but it was also done. The human element was in there. Yes, the human element was applied in there as well. So it could keep my attention, because, oh, well, I'm not gonna watch it. I can't look at charts and graphs and be like watching 90 minutes

Rick Denton  11:57  
of charts and graphs. They profiled four, I think was four different clubs. And one was actually in Watson Waxahachie, the international order of odd, odd brothers, Odd Fellows. And apparently there's chapters all around that I don't know much about. There was a small church slash faith community that was sort of tied to also, kind of, how can you, sort of, I guess, grow and do garden and that aspect of it, there was a guy that started a bowling and what's the fourth

Clancy Denton  12:31  
Georgia Bike Club. Georgia Bike Club, because, for African American writers, yes, because

Rick Denton  12:37  
while Atlanta is has a significant black population. Apparently, the percentage of black writers was shockingly low compared to the population, and so she started that club. Now

Clancy Denton  12:47  
I did comment. I thought the church one was a little culty.

Rick Denton  12:50  
And what did I say to you? I said that was a little judgy. It just, just like that. Wear flowery dresses and enter in the field does not make them a cult.

Clancy Denton  13:06  
So anyways, but no, it was very interesting. And I did, you know, driving home, the kids were both having a cup some issues, so we were talking to them. But I said, Oh yes, we are with the nerd people tonight. And when I said, you know, at the end, we got to, you know, comment, if we wanted to, and I can't remember which one said, oh, did y'all talk? And I said, Well, your dad did, of course.

Rick Denton  13:32  
And I, I think the word nerd needs to be reserved for a particular type of intellectual. This was a little more. What is it right? Brain intellectual, rather than Yes. This was not as nerd. This was creative.

Clancy Denton  13:46  
Types were there, yes, so and people brought up some interesting things that you know we have discussed on here as well. But

Rick Denton  13:59  
we, oh, sorry, no, no, you go, we one of the things about the documentary, and I want to get to almost like, how it applies to us. It the point it was making is, this is the reason why civil discourse and even why democracy is at risk, that because the point of democracy is you're bringing people together of multiple ideas, backgrounds, expectations, desires, and then coming with an outcome that allows the country to move forward and in such a polarized environment right now. And I don't think this necessarily points to one side or the other. I think both sides would do well to listen to this documentary of, hey, when you join a club, then you learn how to participate in this, and the decline of that, and, and it also talked about some of the best ideas of the past came out of clubs that you wouldn't necessarily expect. There was some knitting club that ended up moving women's suffrage rights forward. And, and so when you get people together. Or for a purpose. Sometimes other things come out of that organization. Well,

Clancy Denton  15:06  
yes, and that's when you just said, for a purpose. It was so funny this morning in church, the I mean, very first statement Paul our, one of our senior pastors, made when he was getting into his sermons and started talking about, you know, we're all probably a part of some sort of club or organization. You and I looked at each other, and his focus was talking about church. But you know, what is the purpose? And so yes, you you have to find a purpose interest, something that you know would would bring you into these clubs or organizations. And so I did some I when we got it home, because we were talking about it, and we said, you know, we have, that's one reason that we chose to lead a life group, because we were desperate for meeting people with like minded ideas and age stage of life. So, you know, we did that, but you know, we were talking about, well, what are some other things that we could get involved in? So I googled clubs near me? Well, it pulled up the Cowboys club and Stonebriar Country Club, and I was like, okay, but then I found meetup, which is actually the guy who started meetup, was in the interviewed in this documentary. He started it when he was in college, I think, and so it was interesting seeing, Oh, okay, some of the Yes, so I did. I found the meetup, find a group in Frisco, which it went really further than Frisco. But yes, so some of these, North Texas outdoors, okay, outdoor

Rick Denton  16:54  
enthusiasm, yeah, okay. But

Clancy Denton  16:56  
you know, there's 23,000 members in it. So okay, then wait.

Rick Denton  17:01  
Can we go back to the Dallas Power BI user?

Clancy Denton  17:06  
There's some there's some good ones, like, I liked the young and social club, but that's only for 21 to 40 year olds. And then we have 55 alive. Like, you made it to 55 you're still alive. You can be a part of this group. Now, the social club 21 to 40 has 6020 members, the 55 alive only 829 you know, there's not as many of us. No, I'm not over 55 I couldn't even be in that group.

Rick Denton  17:37  
It's not like you're adding numbers as you age.

Clancy Denton  17:40  
And then I liked the dynamic singles exploring DMw and, oh, there was a board game

Rick Denton  17:50  
group. The thing is, I like the board games like, Okay, give me monopoly. That one's kind of boring, but yeah, those I don't want to play, like, cones of dunshire or whatever, so, but I could do board games.

Clancy Denton  18:02  
So there are groups out there. It's and, you know, we, we talked about some that, you know, we always women. Tried to get Bunko started. It lasted for a while. You tried to get book clubs going. I was in several of those. We did have a supper club in Houston two days ago. So

Rick Denton  18:28  
why? That was one of the things that we talked about afterwards. It it gave some in the movie thoughts of why. But, okay, why? What if this is so important, not just to our community, but to our actual health. Why aren't we joining more clubs?

Clancy Denton  18:46  
Well, okay, so we discussed it a little bit this morning, when we were just talking about, you know, our thoughts around it. And you know, one thing I've noticed, and I said this to you, is that both kids have always been involved in clubs, organized sports, organized activities. When they went off to college, they continued those you know, that's how Tegan found her core group that she is friends with now, from the the Mario Kart gaming and gaming club, which is no longer together, but I don't care. She got her group that Tanner just joined three different clubs this week, and in our mural soccer team. When you're on a campus or on high school schools, I think, are where a lot of the organizations come out of clubs. Church does try to link people together with similar interests, but yeah, going to that web page, I was like, This is so daunting. Because there are so many people in this group that how would you really even connect? And you had talked about that with different groups that you are on pages. Well,

Rick Denton  20:13  
this is so yes on that when I see a number of how I would 230,000 whatever that was, that number for 23,023 so I gave it even more. I wonder if there's something to the fact that the clubs of the past, there was a commitment you had to make. And now Putnam the author behind and I don't know where the directors are from, but Putnam's definitely from the northeast. And when I think of Northeast small town, town in Maine, when you drive into the town, you see the Rotary Club, the Kiwanis, the all of the different the clubs that I don't recall really being a big part of our growing up down here. So I wonder if there's some regionality that type of club. I think that when you've got, oh, I just click and I'm a member of this that's not the same as on Tuesday night. I'm going to go do something outdoors with these people. And I wonder if it's one, just the simple commitment I clicked it, therefore I'm a part of it, and I feel like I'm part of a community, but I'm not. There's no money involved. And so I wonder if dues, if forcing dues creates a deeper level of commitment? Yeah, maybe I have no idea outside of that,

Clancy Denton  21:29  
the commitment thing is a huge thing that we've seen. And case in point, 140 people signed up to come to that screening and sold it out. As a result, people could not so that people couldn't get tickets. There were maybe 35 people there, yeah. And so that just shows you right there, you know. And some lady said, you know, yeah. Well, now restaurants, you know, will charge you. We talked about that too, for not showing up for your reservation. So I just think there's not consequences anymore to a lot of right? Oh, I'll be there. Oh then No, I don't show up. So you

Rick Denton  22:14  
know how I love to read? There's a part of me that's very much like an old woman, and I love reading my my columnist, I love my dear Abby's and my Miss Manners and all that, and it is a recurring theme multiple times a week around RSVPs and people not so without going down too deep down that path, I think there's just, there's the lack of shame with not holding your self true to a commitment and even Clicking on part of this group is not the same as I'm going to an event, going to a meeting.

Clancy Denton  22:46  
And you know, what's ironic about that is that, and I'm going to say parents, people, we would never let our kids get out of I know you're going to practice, but again, yeah, we paid for them in a lot of those cases. Well, now in every case, I think you have to pay to play somewhere, but, you know, but we wouldn't be Oh, yeah, yeah, it's okay, yeah. So, yeah. So there's just that lack of commitment, and it's across the board with everything

Rick Denton  23:22  
it is. And so while that's happening, this one is a this is an interesting premise behind the movie of Yeah, but you're killing yourself with the isolation that you're creating by not doing that. And I, and I said this when we were at the screening. I think part of it, I know for me, because it's easier to talk about just okay, what was my experience, rather than try to distill what others might be thinking, I called it faux communities, that I think a lot of us attempt to scratch that itch to fill that gap of needing community by filling it with, well, I'm a part of my kids activities community, and yes, we've met some friends through that, but Tanner was playing soccer. Tegan was on drill team. I was not doing that. I was a fan in the stands, a supportive parent. That's not the same as I'm joining this club to do my activity, and I think too, especially like folks like us who are part of a large faith organization, a large church, you can think that you're a part of a community, but when you're walking into an auditorium of hundreds of people and then walking out and not engaging with anyone, that's not a community, that's just a show, and that's why we've started A Life Group in our context. But I think that's what's driving is a lot of people are almost fooling themselves that they're in a community, when they really aren't that.

Clancy Denton  24:51  
Yes and the show part, you know, I even made this comment to you that I did. A couple of service oriented things, and one with one of our children. I'm not going to call it out, but to me, it just felt like a bunch of, well, one moms that had forced their kids into doing this, which I was also a lot of them, but I was really looking for it, one, to meet people, and two, really do some service oriented things. And it just felt more of a check the box I'm here, so I didn't get as much out of it as I wanted to. So

Rick Denton  25:50  
and So that's like, I think those are all reasons like that. There's these. You can satiate yourself by thinking that you're part of a community when you're really not, or the community really isn't there to build community or to serve others. It's just to be a resume builder, whatever that might be,

Clancy Denton  26:08  
which it doesn't help. All

Rick Denton  26:12  
right? Well, we will not be putting this organization in the show notes, so don't look for that. So how do we find like people listen to this show? We're listening to each other. How do we find a community that makes sure that we actually do increase our life expectancy? Or should we just all pick up smoking and don't worry

Clancy Denton  26:40  
about it? So definitely not

the smoking part.

Rick Denton  26:42  
Yeah, that will not be the short this week. You know, one thing we did talk about, and I'm not gonna make a horribly blanket statement of men versus women. I know that. How about I'll just speak for me as a man that I struggle to join communities that aren't activity based, in some regard, we were talking about, like dinner parties and that sort of stuff. I'm fine up to a certain point, but then I'm kind of done. The batteries are empty. I'm out of words. I'm not interesting. And then my brain thinks that nobody else is interesting. And so, you know, we're just done here. But when there's an activity, when there's something, go and see a movie, when there's go see a play. Now there needs to be discussion or something I

Clancy Denton  27:23  
was gonna say, because both things you just described, no, both things you just said you're not talking.

Rick Denton  27:30  
Go be a part of a pickleball community. Do the board game thing? Get on a hike with people. What that, whatever that might look like. That's I know I need to have an activity behind it, because words alone probably would not glue me into that organization

Clancy Denton  27:47  
well, and you are more introverted, even though people probably wouldn't think that because of what you choose to do and that kind of thing. But you know, there's some things that I know you say, go on a hike with people, but I don't know if you would actually enjoy.

Rick Denton  28:08  
And then, you know, a balance, yeah, day hike by myself,

Clancy Denton  28:13  
and activity driven things I enjoy too, but I don't want them to be competitive. That's where some of that stuff, because then I feel like, look, I suck at this. Are you going to be upset with me when my suckage causes us to not win or not?

Rick Denton  28:33  
You know, I won't care. No, no, no,

Clancy Denton  28:34  
no. I know. I just meant, you know, group especially, we're talking

Rick Denton  28:38  
about pickleball, I think we suck equally. There the Yeah, I agree with you, and that's what I mean. Even when I joined, this was decades ago, when I joined that church softball league. Man, I suck. I really do. I actually got on base more than most people because I did such a bad job of swinging that it would bunt and drop right in front of the plate and would shock everybody, and you could run, yeah, and even that, which was not supposed to be competitive, there was some kind of askew glances with the caliber of play. And I'm not interested in that. Yeah, there's a place for it, not for me, yeah,

Clancy Denton  29:16  
yeah. So yeah, I don't know. You know, we've talked about some things that we would like to do, but I guess I'm just going to have to do some more research to see if there are, you know, clubs, or, you know, I would I like to bowl. I would join a bowling group, but again, I'm not good, so it needs to be a, this is just for community with other people, or something not, you know, huh?

Rick Denton  29:53  
That just gave me a tiny little epiphany. I know we're starting to run long here, but that gave me a little bit of an epiphany, and that is. Yes, you and I kept like we were just there talking about competitive well, how much of that is a product of where we live? And I'm specifically talking about Frisco, Texas Sports City, USA, with its sports headquarters, with its parents that are incredibly focused on their children's athletic and performative success, if that's in band or if that's in drill team or in theater or anything like that, how much of that is where we live, and would Are there different pockets that it isn't that way because I really competitive community. I

Clancy Denton  30:37  
was born with it, so I am, I'll admit I am super competitive, but that's why, that's why I don't want to be involved in something that I'm not good

Rick Denton  30:49  
at. Hypothesis, just went out the window. Forget community. It's in my own household.

Clancy Denton  30:53  
But you bring up a good point in that. You know, the group that was there the other night, I would say, probably the majority were from the Dallas area. You'd assume a lady I taught you was from South Lake, but I would have said, you know, and everyone, no one, everyone spoke, everyone looked around and smiled at each other. You know, it was very non walking into a room where, you know, no one, it felt friendly, but because we were all there for the same reason. And so, you know, it just was, you know, but even it would be very interesting to see if different pockets, like you said, of areas, would be more inviting because, because that's another thing. I found some of these organizations and clubs. One, it's hard to get into. And two, but they're not very inviting once you do get in and out. And

Rick Denton  32:10  
I know that that's true. I know the experience you've described. I know that there's also a risk of self selecting, or self believing your way, not you the general your way into that scenario, that if I perceive I'm walking into a room that's going to not be welcoming, then I'm going to be standoffish to protect myself, which then someone probably looks at me and thinks, Well, gosh, he's not being not welcoming. And it just reinforces itself. And I think especially at the empty nest we, we, you me Clancy and we the empty nest community. Just have to say, You know what? Screw it and do it. And if I'm worried about this group being competitive, fine, that's their problem, not mine. Oh, gutturball, you know

Clancy Denton  32:54  
is that another coffee mug? Screw it and do it.

Rick Denton  33:00  
I bet you that's at Spencer's gift

Clancy Denton  33:01  
already go a lot of different ways. You can put that on coffee mugs. You can put that on all kinds of,

Rick Denton  33:11  
yeah, there's, there's already all sorts of bachelorette party gifts that are being printed with that on it. So,

Clancy Denton  33:18  
so, yeah, so we'll see. Maybe, you know, we, we, we bantered about some things. So okay, see where I gotta put

Rick Denton  33:26  
a challenge out to folks. We say this almost every episode, one you know, thank you all for the community that you are there. But I'm gonna specifically say, if you're listening to this, if you're watching this, what clubs are you a part of, or what clubs do you want to be a part of? And I'm saying it very selfishly, give us inspiration, and let's see if we can share your inspiration with the rest of the listeners and the viewers, because I'd like some ideas. Yeah,

Clancy Denton  33:53  
yeah. So we'll see where it goes. I do have a text this week from Tegan.

Rick Denton  33:57  
Well, let's get to that text from Tegan. I will say this, as far as a new activity, I would definitely recommend find a screening I mentioned to you. I want to there's, there's so many of these film festivals that I read about in Dallas and others, and I don't know if the movie's gonna be any good. Who cares? Just go and who knows what. So that's one thing. So there's my idea. I contribute that to the community. Go, go find a screening at the Dallas news. I bet you they start doing more of them, actually, well.

Clancy Denton  34:26  
And it would have been interesting, you know, because the CEO even said, he said, you know, this is a group right here that we've just kind of created. And so it would have been interesting for them to hey, here's the y'all came to this one. Here's the next thing we're doing. Here's the you know, to keep. And they were marking us off as we came in. So they have the info. Brilliant.

Rick Denton  34:53  
If they haven't, they probably have but maybe email and all is it? Graham, whatever.

Clancy Denton  34:59  
Over the CEO. All I remember his last name was Moise. Okay,

Rick Denton  35:03  
well, I may be emailing Mr. Moise with this idea, because that would be kind of fun. What when you see that, that teacher behind us, I guarantee I'd recognize her. Hey, I saw you the last one. Yeah, and that repetition breeds familiarity, that would allow us to build a little community. So

Clancy Denton  35:20  
there you go. See I can have the ideas. She may not want to join. No, I would. Those people were all fine. So I put this. This is what our child has been dealing with this. Tegan is parking at her apartment. They have assigned spots, and people aren't paying attention, but so she said that Texas said they're letting me park in a guest spot inside the gate, because one of the parking lots is outside the gate. And I was like, You are not parking outside the gate, so for the night, if it if he still doesn't move. So yeah, the car was in her spot, and she said they can put a sticker on his car, though, to say this isn't his spot. So I was like, Oh my gosh. Is it gonna be one of those big, Oh, I get stickers that you can't get off.

Rick Denton  36:06  
It's gonna be the big orange warning, yeah. And then I

Clancy Denton  36:10  
was like, Oh Lord, is he gonna come slash your tires? Because, I mean, at least he didn't, at least he didn't get towed. So because that's how they handle it. They just tow the car. I don't know where they put it, but they just tow the car. Yeah, to, do you think it really Oh,

Rick Denton  36:28  
yeah. Well, it's the tow company. That's how they get the apartment complex says,

Clancy Denton  36:33  
Hey, tow company. And it's, it's been, it's been an issue all at all of the apartments this year. So, yeah, it will. That's just what

Rick Denton  36:44  
she's been dealing with. And what I like is it's an example of she's handling it. Yes, oh yeah, she can. She calls us, she vents, you know, the normal things, she's not looking to us for advice, and even sort of chafes when we reflexively offered some of our advice, which was a good lesson for all. I

Clancy Denton  36:59  
just liked when she when she said, No one's in my spot, so I'm racing home real fast like, okay, no calm down. So there you go. All right. Well, thanks for joining us again on another edition of the loud, quiet, living, the emptiness.

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